Forums - All Third Strike players unite!!! Show all 57 posts from this thread on one page Forums (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/index.php) - Fighting Game Discussion (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=8) -- All Third Strike players unite!!! (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=401) Posted by Joe Darque on 01:20:2001 11:18 PM: im seeing that 3rd. strike is falling out of the gamers eyes when its so early in its existance.i mean they took out of the b5. soon you wont even see it up here a SRK.com.i think we all need to come together and make sure 3S is recongized for the gamming glory it truly is.it seems that everyone is so caught up in flashy games (MvC2) that they are neglecting a game that is one of the most well rounded SF games to date. MvC2 is a flash game where all you have to do is mainly pick the top tier ten and abuse your assist buttons.a good game but you dont need as much strategy with the game then you do with SF3:3S. CVS is more down the alley of 3S but its terribly unbalanced.the characters graphic wise look like a mugen ripoff where some characters are redrawn and others are old sprites from other games.also the characters have had their good moves removed or altered from the game making them close to useless. third is everything a expert gammer could want in a game and its not even being acknowledged for it. http://www.geocities.com/dragonkahn/joe_darque_2.gif A weak shell for a weak soul. It was an easy task to seperate the two... Posted by on 01:20:2001 11:23 PM: I agree 100% http://kof5.tripod.com/garou_donghwanstand.gif "Makeru no mo akitarou?!" Posted by SilverGear on 01:20:2001 11:57 PM: Huge user of Q here ..................! (Bye!) http://www.geocities.com/to2008/SGtag4.gif Posted by Dr. Deelite on 01:21:2001 12:21 AM: I agree that 3S is great. HOWEVER. High-level MvC2 is ALL strategy. Mashing the assist buttons without rhyme or reason will get you nothing but destroyed. http://www.khaotika.com/images/tags/drdee.gif Posted by Dasrik on 01:21:2001 12:21 AM: Joe Darque - Bullshit. Third Strike "skill" equates to how good you are at tapping forward/down repeatedly. Combos/supers/etc. are secondary. MvC2, on the other hand, is a game that requires actual thought to win. Of course, people don't acknowledge that because they're fucking morons that immediately reject anything in the Versus series, while not recognizing just how much of a damn awful game the Street Fighter 3 series are. The end. Posted by Garbageman on 01:21:2001 12:23 AM: Yeah! Let's get other people to like our game by mindlessly bashing thiers! Nope, not smart. SF3 is good. Try to persuade people to like it, not flame thier opinions. Above this post is a good example of how NOT to do it... [This message has been edited by Garbageman (edited 01-20-2001).] Posted by DrunkinB on 01:21:2001 12:26 AM: 3rd strike a more skillful game that is being neglected so I m agreein with Joe Darque cuz I was surprise out of all the 4 tourneys listed it is only in one! http://www.geocities.com/to2008/DrukenBtag2.gif Posted by Joshua on 01:21:2001 12:29 AM: Both MvC2 and 3rd have strategy, they are just different strategies. I like 3rd better, and agree that it sucks people don't like it, but MvC2 is still an awesome, fun game. I don't understand why people don't play all fighters? When 3rd gets boring move to MvC2, when that gets boring move to CvS, and when that gets boring move to A3, and when that gets boring go back to 3rd. evangelion! http://twelve.hypermart.net/Kriz.gif Posted by Dr. Deelite on 01:21:2001 01:25 AM: Besides, strategy isn't really the term you're looking for. MvC2 involves a huge amount of strategy if you're actually using your three slots to make a true team, and not just a collection of three fighters. In 3S, you can have a gameplan, but winning in 3S has a lot less to do with strategy and a lot more to do with execution. I love both games. They are both good in their own ways. And, as someone said, knocking another game doesn't make your favorite better. http://www.khaotika.com/images/tags/drdee.gif Posted by Joe Darque on 01:21:2001 01:29 AM: quote: Originally posted by Dasrik: Joe Darque - Bullshit. Third Strike "skill" equates to how good you are at tapping forward/down repeatedly. Combos/supers/etc. are secondary. MvC2, on the other hand, is a game that requires actual thought to win. Of course, people don't acknowledge that because they're fucking morons that immediately reject anything in the Versus series, while not recognizing just how much of a damn awful game the Street Fighter 3 series are. The end. see thats where youre wrong.MvC2 is alot easier to play than 3S anyday.even little kids who have never even heard of a haduken will see three big characters and pick them and can beat the above avderage player and not even know what theyre doing.thats how simple MvC2 is. yeah when you play at a high level of gameplay with superb players than you cant expect nothing but good gameplay but what you fail to realise is that that goes for any game whether it be a fighting game,a racing game, or a sports game.basically any game that puts two people against each other will have good gameplay. as for your comment earlier.it takes more skill to parry an attack in the middle of a match then it does to let Doom's AAA chip your opponet to death.the combo system even requires less skill than the traditional SF system on 3S. in the versus games all you have to do is LP->LK->MP->MK->HP->HK and that goes for about 99.9% of the roster in any VS game not just MvC2.unlike 3S where you actually have to think harder and study more to equal the hit ratio of the VS series combo system. Third Strike is just a ore strategic game hands down http://www.geocities.com/dragonkahn/joe_darque_2.gif A weak shell for a weak soul. It was an easy task to seperate the two... Posted by Dr. Deelite on 01:21:2001 01:36 AM: quote: Originally posted by Joe Darque: Third Strike is just a ore strategic game hands down. Nope. What you're talking about, once again, is execution, not strategy. And using a Doom AAA is a strategy. If it works, it's a good strategy. Doing a combo in 3S involves execution. Not strategy. You're comparing apples and oranges. And I'd argue that Marvel blows 3S away in terms of actual strategy. http://www.khaotika.com/images/tags/drdee.gif Posted by Joe Darque on 01:21:2001 01:40 AM: now im not trying to flame anyone here but if you remember the invitational tourny in Japan.the States only won one of the games in choice which was what? MvC2 (OMG!!!!!!! i didnt see that comming) where the games that took more execution and more thought were dominated by the Japaneese.i mean in the 3S bracket Q went undefeated and he is probably the slowest character in the game.i THINK Valle was the only person to even win ONE match in the 3S catergory. now im not saying that Americans are lazy (we already know that, hell im one lazy bastard) but we the only game that we dominated in was the one that took the less skill. http://www.geocities.com/dragonkahn/joe_darque_2.gif A weak shell for a weak soul. It was an easy task to seperate the two... Posted by Joe Darque on 01:21:2001 01:46 AM: quote: Originally posted by Dr. Deelite: Nope. What you're talking about, once again, is execution, not strategy. sorry forgive me. execution quote: And using a Doom AAA is a strategy. If it works, it's a good strategy. i know but which takes more skill? tapping a button or anticapating your opponents attacks so you can parry them? http://www.geocities.com/dragonkahn/joe_darque_2.gif A weak shell for a weak soul. It was an easy task to seperate the two... Posted by Dr. Deelite on 01:21:2001 01:50 AM: Okay, I was going to be nice, but now I'm not. You are full of shit. The reason we won Marvel was because that's the main tournament game over here. The reason they won Alpha 3 was because that's the main game over there. They won 3S because they play it, and US players do not. And Super Turbo could have gone either way, and was the tournament's deciding game. The tournament was closer than it looked for that reason, and the simple fact of the matter was that the US team lost 3S because they don't play it. Same goes for the Japanese on MvC2. And as for "skill required" for playing a game - it's a whole hell of a lot more difficult to sustain a trap in MvC2 or to pull off a 70 hit Magneto combo than it is to do ANYTHING there is in 3S. I play both games CONSTANTLY, have for a long time, and I love them both. You can't argue these points like this, because you're being arrogant and you're not right. Why not just say, "3S takes skill to play?" WHy do you have to qualify that statement by saying it takes more than Marvel? The simple fact of the matter is that if you think Marvel doesn't take skill, you've never seen skilled people play. http://www.khaotika.com/images/tags/drdee.gif Posted by NooNoo on 01:21:2001 01:51 AM: OK.... Gonna break it down... Let's compare the two to... say, Kessen. MVC2 would be a broad picture of the whole battlefield... You concentrate on when to send a squad out, when to ambush, when to attack, when to retreat, etc... Basically, the broad and general aspects of the war. 3S is the one-on-one battle. While strategy plays a part in each, there is a much greater strategical leeway w/MVC2. The number of different strategies in that game are insane... You need strategy in 3S, but you can basically adopt the same philosophical strategy w/each character and still be successful. If you tried to play Strider/Doom tactics with, say, Bison/Psylock, or vice-versa, you would get killed... On the other hand, in terms of technical expertise and mind games, there is absolutely no contest- 3S whips MvC2 hands down... It is not only a matter of parrying, but psyching the opponent out, and knowing when to attack and when not to attack. I also think it is much harder to become an expert at 3S than it is at MvC2. Damn, I feel like I'm writing an essay for school. Posted by NooNoo on 01:21:2001 01:53 AM: quote: Originally posted by Dr. Deelite: I play both games CONSTANTLY, have for a long time, and I love them both. Well, you might say, one love is on hiatus. Posted by Dr. Deelite on 01:21:2001 01:58 AM: quote: Originally posted by Joe Darque: now im not trying to flame anyone here but if you remember the invitational tourny in Japan.the States only won one of the games in choice which was what? MvC2 (OMG!!!!!!! i didnt see that comming) where the games that took more execution and more thought were dominated by the Japaneese.i mean in the 3S bracket Q went undefeated and he is probably the slowest character in the game.i THINK Valle was the only person to even win ONE match in the 3S catergory. now im not saying that Americans are lazy (we already know that, hell im one lazy bastard) but we the only game that we dominated in was the one that took the less skill. I'd just like to stress that the reason I said you were full of shit was this rascist garbage right here, and that point may have been lost because my post didn't immediately succeed yours, nor did I quote it. But, anyway, this is some of the stupidest shit I've ever read. Sure, defend the game you like - I like 3S also. But when on fucking earth did this become a comparison of who can beat who, and why? You think Valle and Duc are any less of players because they're great at MvC2? Have you ever played MvC2? While, execution-wise, MAYBE you could argue 3S is more advanced, the reaction times needed for high level Marvel play are just as advanced, if not moreso. The strategy involved is much more in-depth. The options you have available are much more diverse. And you bitched about the top-tier...Ryu and Chun-Li are just as fucking bad in 3S. Argh. http://www.khaotika.com/images/tags/drdee.gif Posted by Malkin on 01:21:2001 02:23 AM: Street Fighter is better than MvC2 in almost any case, better graphics, better sound, more animation, BETTER drawn characters, MORE backgrounds, at least some story to every char. The only thing that maybe gives a point to MvC2 is that it has more characters, but I am not sure this is an advantage. DONT get me wrong, I didnt said that MvC2 sux! No, just for me SF3 3s is the better game.And one more reason why I play Sf3s? ---> http://www.geocities.com/to2008/MalkinTag2.gif http://www.geocities.com/to2008/MalkinTag.gif To heaven or to hell, anything is decided by destiny... Death means "rest" to me... Hattori Hanzo, Samurai Shodown ... Posted by Joe Darque on 01:21:2001 02:25 AM: quote: You can't argue these points like this, because you're being arrogant and you're not right. im not being arrogant. im basically just telling it like it is. quote: Why not just say, "3S takes skill to play?" WHy do you have to qualify that statement by saying it takes more than Marvel? because it does.marvel takes alot of skill to play and be a good player but games like 3S require more knowledge then just strategy and execution which is basically all you need to be a good MvC2 player. quote: The simple fact of the matter is that if you think Marvel doesn't take skill, you've never seen skilled people play. i never said that it doesnt take skill to play MvC2 but it does take less skill to play than 3S.i have seen numberous skilled players play MvC2 and i know that it isnt a snap to do the shit they do in those games but just think about it.which is more difficult to pull off or requires more skill?doing a 70 hit combo with Magneto or doing a 70 hit combo with lets say Dudley.for the adverage player, a 70 hit combo in MvC2 is about as easy as chaining 3 supers together.yeah it takes skill and what youre saying is a valid response. all im saying is this.it takes more execution,knowledge of the game,and effort to be a good player in 3S then it does in MvC2 oh and if it makes you feel any better ill go ahead and say "3rd. Strike requires more skill to be a good player than MvC2." and im finished for the day http://www.geocities.com/dragonkahn/joe_darque_2.gif A weak shell for a weak soul. It was an easy task to seperate the two... Posted by NooNoo on 01:21:2001 02:30 AM: quote: Originally posted by Dr. Deelite: And you bitched about the top-tier...Ryu and Chun-Li are just as fucking bad in 3S. Woah there... The tiering in MvC2 is crazily worse than 3S. Take 2 players of equal ability... They play each other w/Cable/Doom/Sentinel (eg). vs. Roll and whatever other 2 characters you think are the worst. Roll team wins none. On the other hand, on 3rd Strike, the lesser player would win at least 30%. The tiering argument goes against MvC, hands down. And for the argument about how hard it is to do the infinites in MvC2, I would argue that it is equally hard or harder to do the crazy shit that Hsien or Jack or Fu does. When it gets to that top 1/2 of 1%, it's all about the same- freaking next to impossible... be it infinites w/Iron Man or kara-cancelling into a gigas breaker. (Which I still think is a physical impossibility, and I am sure I would implode if I saw it done). They are both great games with totally different modus operandi. We are arguing over pins and needles, people. Posted by fagneto on 01:21:2001 02:32 AM: I have to agree with what Joshua said. If you haven't read it, scroll back to his post. I play A3, CvS, MvC2, and 3rdS all pretty much the same. However, in my opinion, I like MvC2 because it is my favorite of the four. The thing is, I suck at the game. I am usually always like this: The games I like more, I tend to suck in. I am pretty good in 3rdS, my friend says I have potential. But one thing is straight, I would rather play all these games than pick and choose, and not just Capcom games, all games in general. Posted by LordLocke on 01:21:2001 02:33 AM: I think Doc stated it best. SF3 is all about execution and precision. It's rather shallow strategy-wise. I mean, the moves in the game fall into three catagories- what WILL be parried, what MIGHT be parried, and what CAN'T be parried. You simply avoid using the first catagory, bait and punish with the second, and use the third if they don't take the bait. How good a player you are is exactly how well you do that. It's not very flexable, but it's just about the only way to win, and simply-put, it's who can do it better. MvC2's a lot broader. Traps are nasty, but they can be broken be a majority of characters somehow. Cable's bad but if you kill his helpers he's dog-food. Because there's three characters per side resulting in 9 possible matchups at any given time, there IS no fail-safe way to play MvC2, because every tactic has it's flaw, and although it's execution is easier, it needs to be for the sheer strategy of the game. Somewhere in the middle is SFA3. Although it's one-on-one, there is more paths to winning. Sure, V-ism is strong, but many of the game's stronger characters don't rely on it (Rolento, Gen, Charlie, some Ryus, Dhalsims and Zangeifs, and in the PSX version some Dee Jays). Guard Crushing and skilled Poking are powerful styles in SFA3 as well as knowing when and how to VC, and since VC's take meter, they're not always an option. However, precision is needed in execution, or you may botch a VC's timing, execute a Super for it's invincibility too early, of miss your window of chance after a guard crush. It's not shopping if I don't plan to pay for it! Posted by Dr. Deelite on 01:21:2001 02:42 AM: Feel free to post this 70-hit Dudley combo. I'd be more than happy to see how it works. http://www.khaotika.com/images/tags/drdee.gif Posted by Evenflow80 on 01:21:2001 02:43 AM: What's wrong with you people??? This guy was just stating his opinion about a game, and you all go crazy. Guess what?? I am a master at both 3rd Strike and MvC2 and I believe 100% that SFIII is the more strategic, the deeper, and the better looking of the two. THAT'S MY OPINION. Calling me an idiot wont prove anything, saying I am full of shit is immature and shows a lack of creativity. I like 3rd Strike better and I think it's the best fighting game out there, wether it be gameplay wise, graphic wise, or sound wise. WHo cares, I think it's the better of the two. You can argue against me, but calling me an idiot will automatically tell me to stop reading your message because more than likely your a 12 year old using dad's computer. Intellegent discussions area what get your point across, flaming someone for stating thier opinion does'nt. And no, MvC2 or any of the Vs. games doesnt require as much skill or practice as SFIII 3rd Strike. that's what I think, and I will continue to think that no matter what you tell me. Get used to it. Posted by Remy on 01:21:2001 02:45 AM: I love 3S but i think it does take expert play to be the best at MvC2 as well. though i'd choose 3S over it anyday. http://www.geocities.com/dragonkahn/remy.gif "Saa.., shoubu da!" Posted by Dr. Deelite on 01:21:2001 02:53 AM: quote: Originally posted by Evenflow80: What's wrong with you people??? etc. Thank you for your poignant entry. If you would read more, you would realize that the reason I said big daddy Joe D. was full of shit was because of his inane views on why the US lost to Japan in the JIT. In fact, I dedicated an entire post to this. Besides that, he's basing everything that he says supports 3S on conjecture - comparing a 70 hit Mags combo to a 70 hit Dudley combo, for example. The latter is not possible. I also stated that I love both games myself, but that it's not best to put one game on a pedestal by devaluing another. And I thank you for considering me a twelve year-old. Ah, to be young and free again, not confined to an office building and car payments... What proof have you of your mastery, harlot? Speak! http://www.khaotika.com/images/tags/drdee.gif Posted by Dasrik on 01:21:2001 02:59 AM: quote: Originally posted by Evenflow80: What's wrong with you people??? This guy was just stating his opinion about a game, and you all go crazy. Guess what?? I am a master at both 3rd Strike and MvC2 and I believe 100% that SFIII is the more strategic, the deeper, and the better looking of the two. THAT'S MY OPINION. Calling me an idiot wont prove anything, saying I am full of shit is immature and shows a lack of creativity. I like 3rd Strike better and I think it's the best fighting game out there, wether it be gameplay wise, graphic wise, or sound wise. WHo cares, I think it's the better of the two. You can argue against me, but calling me an idiot will automatically tell me to stop reading your message because more than likely your a 12 year old using dad's computer. Intellegent discussions area what get your point across, flaming someone for stating thier opinion does'nt. And no, MvC2 or any of the Vs. games doesnt require as much skill or practice as SFIII 3rd Strike. that's what I think, and I will continue to think that no matter what you tell me. Get used to it. That's too bad, because continuing to believe something in the face of evidence to the contrary is a sign of idiocy. It's already been proven again and again that Third Strike is a boring game at its highest levels. Believing that Third Strike takes more thought than MvC2 is laughable, considering in Third Strike you only have one overwhelmingly effective defensive option - parry. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. How good their opinions are vary greatly. And I see nothing wrong with critiquing someone's opinion. It's too bad that you can simply pass me off as a "12 year old on his dads computer" which somehow invalidates my entire argument. You might actually learn something if you tried to defend 3s intelligently. The end. Posted by akumachanOWNZyou on 01:21:2001 03:07 AM: You people are so freakin funny Posted by NooNoo on 01:21:2001 03:13 AM: quote: Originally posted by Dasrik: Believing that Third Strike takes more thought than MvC2 is laughable, considering in Third Strike you only have one overwhelmingly effective defensive option - parry. You may not be aware of this, but if you hold the joystick the opposite direction of your opponent when they attack, your character does something called block. This blocking is considered by some to be an 'overwhelmingly effective defensive option.' Posted by Kamui on 01:21:2001 03:25 AM: I have to agree. All of the skill in 3rd Strike is reactionary. To win you have to be compltetly and utterly random to get passed parries. Theres really not a lot of strategy involved. People think parrying adds depth to the game but it actually just turns 3rd Strike into a giant guessing game. There is skill involved in 3rd strike, buts based on reaction times and timing, not strategy. quote: Originally posted by Dasrik: Joe Darque - Bullshit. Third Strike "skill" equates to how good you are at tapping forward/down repeatedly. Combos/supers/etc. are secondary. MvC2, on the other hand, is a game that requires actual thought to win. Of course, people don't acknowledge that because they're fucking morons that immediately reject anything in the Versus series, while not recognizing just how much of a damn awful game the Street Fighter 3 series are. The end. Posted by Dasrik on 01:21:2001 03:27 AM: quote: Originally posted by NooNoo: You may not be aware of this, but if you hold the joystick the opposite direction of your opponent when they attack, your character does something called block. This blocking is considered by some to be an 'overwhelmingly effective defensive option.' Hahaha. Considered by some. Do these some have brain damage? Seriously, give me one situation where it's preferable to block an attack instead of parry it. Posted by NooNoo on 01:21:2001 03:53 AM: Sure, it's best if you can parry everything but, that's not realistically happening. I consider myself an above-average 3S player, and I rarely parry. I find that parrying can get you into more trouble than it's worth, unless it's painfully obvious what the other person is going to do, you're a full screen away, or you have to parry to avoid death. I've found that most situations are better served to block than parry. Posted by kadath on 01:21:2001 03:59 AM: Wow. Lotsa people in here getting pretty passionate about their games!! Me, I like 3S better but only because I can't stand the Vs. series!! innocence is pain in disguise Posted by Dasrik on 01:21:2001 04:01 AM: quote: Originally posted by NooNoo: Sure, it's best if you can parry everything but, that's not realistically happening. I consider myself an above-average 3S player, and I rarely parry. I find that parrying can get you into more trouble than it's worth, unless it's painfully obvious what the other person is going to do, you're a full screen away, or you have to parry to avoid death. I've found that most situations are better served to block than parry. ??? Have you BEEN to a Third Strike tournament in SHGL? Posted by Hero on 01:21:2001 04:10 AM: Gee, if it's not "SNK kicks Capcom's @$$" it's got to be something else. Honestly, I've never played 3S, but I have played 2nd Impact. Personally I feel the whole SF3 series is good for what it tries to do. I agree that the series doesn't get the equal amount of respect that other fighters do? So since the game is the 'underdog' in Capcom's stable, do I automatically think it's better? Nope. MvC2, CvS, SF3, A3, even ST...all these have theri merits and weaknesses. All Joe wanted to do was point out how all the above mentioned games get tourney time EXCEPT 3S. Fair enough. I think the whole post went out of control when he went as far as saying the US team only won MvC2 because it takes less skill. In reality, if that were the case, wouldn't Japan be able to beat them down, eyes closed if it was such a simplistic game? Basically, like what you like and leave it at that. No one fighter mentioned is above the rest, but I'd be for promoting more SF3 coverage in tourneys. Not because it's better per se, but because it really doesn't get enough attention. Posted by LordLocke on 01:21:2001 04:11 AM: quote: Originally posted by NooNoo: Sure, it's best if you can parry everything but, that's not realistically happening. I consider myself an above-average 3S player, and I rarely parry. I find that parrying can get you into more trouble than it's worth, unless it's painfully obvious what the other person is going to do, you're a full screen away, or you have to parry to avoid death. I've found that most situations are better served to block than parry. And thus you are an average SF3 player, about mid-level. Parries when obvious, blocks the rest of the time, attempt to do it often near death... we're talking high-level play here, where the parries can be done frequently from any distance if the move has startup frames, and can be subsequently punished. Where special moves mean death without being EX-ed, and where the ONLY combat options that will actually work is up-close. You have no idea how limiting high-level SF3 is until you've actually reached it. It's not shopping if I don't plan to pay for it! Posted by NooNoo on 01:21:2001 04:20 AM: quote: Originally posted by Dasrik: ??? Have you BEEN to a Third Strike tournament in SHGL? Yes, I have... And I don't consider myself an average player. I am fully confident that I can beat 95% of the people who play 3S by randoming. I was at the last tourney that was held in Austin. While my performance in the tournamet itself was less than stellar, I beat the winner several times before the tournament. I think I know what I am talking about.... Parrying alone might win you 1 match in 200. I saw a guy parry a full magneto storm, and an Ibuki air super... Both of these people lost their matches. Parrying is useful, even helpful at times, but certainly not a necessity. Posted by Dr. Deelite on 01:21:2001 04:26 AM: Uh, NooNoo, SHGL is Southern Hills Golf Land in California, so your answer should be no, not yes. http://www.khaotika.com/images/tags/drdee.gif Posted by NooNoo on 01:21:2001 04:38 AM: quote: Originally posted by Dr. Deelite: Uh, NooNoo, SHGL is Southern Hills Golf Land in California, so your answer should be no, not yes. Sorry. NooNoo stoopit. NooNoo mean tournament. NooNoo mean to deeleete SGHL. NooNoo forget. NooNoo leave work now. NooNoo go to diversions. NooNoo cold. NooNoo happy a mental retardate was inagurated today. Yay! Bye! Posted by VManOfMana on 01:21:2001 04:40 AM: Why not instead of flaming each other you just go, sit, boot the DC and enjoy both games? There is no way to measure what game is better. Is a matter of tastes. By name calling you are going nowhere. If you think that disagreement is enough escuse to go and call everybody else an idiot, think who is the idiot again. I play both games, but I prefer Third Strike for the simple fact that I enjoy it better. That doesnt takes any merit out of MvC2. ----- Jabel D. Morales - VMan of Mana Anime purist, 2D gamer, BeOS supporter. "Hokahoka gohan-nyo" -DiGi Charat Posted by Evenflow80 on 01:21:2001 05:34 AM: My God. Allot of tense people on this board. What is the big problem anyway?? It's funny that this one guy responded to my post by saying something like "it was proven that 3rd strike is a bad game" or something like that. Where was it proven?? your opinion is proof?? What if - God forbid - I LIKE parrying??? And you know what else is funny, out of all you people, this NooNoo guy hit the bull's eye: parrying isnt essential to be good at SFIII. Yes, you heard that right. Like him, I am considered "the master" of this game at my local arcade, and I play some pretty good players, and what surprised me is that none of them parry that much, and the only guy that parries everything, a guy that uses Akuma, I can beat every time. I dont know about "Sunnyvale level competetion" because, like most of you I'd bet, have never even been to one, much less got anywhere past the qualifying rounds. Thus I don't really care about competetions like that and I cant judge them because my knowledge on them is pretty limited. Again, I consider myself a pretty good 3rd Strike player, and I almost never lose at all. But the only moves I do parry on a constant basis are jump in attacks, and ofcourse fireballs. I enjoy this game immensly, and I have been playing fighting games ever since SFI, which I had on the old PC Engine. I have owned every single sf game ever made, including the horrible Movie game, so I know what I am talking about. I am pretty good with most fighting games out right now too, and to me, 3rd Strike is my favorite. Can you prove me otherwise. Propably not, unless you think I am lying and hate SFIII. I like 3rd Strike, allot. I think it's a great game, I think MvC2 is a GOOD game, not great. You can argue all you want and give all the "evidence" that suggests otherwise, but to all the people that like 3rd Strike, congrats and I hope to play against you some day, wether you parry can my jab punches or you like to just turtle up in the corner, I will enjoy studying your strategies and hopefully beat you, if not I will still enjoy myself. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go play 3rd Strike, I have this match with this really good asian guy... Posted by Yushiro on 01:21:2001 05:59 AM: I have to say that I like both MvC2 and 3 Strike. Third Strike is more like how well can you execute your special moves and parries. It's also to prove how fast your reaction timing, espiecally for reversals. ^_^ For MvC2 I believe you need both strategy and execution for the traps and setups. I know that most people find this game the easiest to play but against experts..smashing buttons or not knowing the gameplay system can get you killed in a matter of seconds. I actually believe that all fighting games takes some degree of skill. For Third Strike, executing reversals, countering attacks, timed super arts, selecting your super art, or even parrying when you have no life does require some skill. As for MvC2, Corner Traps, Combo Assist setup, Smashing out of Magneto's Hyper Grab into Magnetic Tempest, Rolling after getting tripped or eating Psylockes Alpha assist, and a good strategy plan should take some thinking of what your going to do against your opponents team. I hope this helps explaining as to why I think MvC2 and Third Strike require some level of skill to compete. Personally I love both games and I don't mind the gameplay of the VS games and old school SF games. ^_^ http://psychosquall.homestead.com/files/YushiroDiz.jpg Posted by Dasrik on 01:21:2001 06:03 AM: Okay, let me lay down something for you all to consider. All hyperbole aside, Third Strike is not a terrible game. There are worse games (among other candidates, the original Street Fighter III makes Third Strike look like "buckets of fun"). However, it pisses me off to no end to hear people drone on and on about how "Third Strike beats MvC2 anyday as far as true skill" and how "3s takes more thought to play than MvC2", because those claims are simply false. Let me lay it out to you: MvC2 thought pattern: "Rushdown or keepaway? Lockdown trap or distance trap? Do I call an assist or not? Is my opponent a Cable with meter (which changes available attack options)? Does that Cable have 2+ meter (if so, then keep your assist inside, or they'll die)? I've hit the opponent - do I go into super? Do I DHC? If I choose to rush down, does my opponent have an AAA? Adjust dash play accordingly." 3s thought pattern: "Will my opponent attack or (kara) throw? Then parry if former, or tech if latter. If parry, hit them with a combo into super. Repeat." Seriously, there is not much more to 3s than that. And please... PLEASE don't tell me that it's not worth your time to parry everything when it's done constantly by the top 3s players. That just shows how much you are unwilling to improve. To sum it up: MvC2 is a game that gives you more options as you get better. 3s is a game that gives you less options. CvS is too. That is why these games do not take "more skill" than MvC2. That's not pure opinion, it's an argument. If you disagree, then construct one of your own. The End. Posted by Yushiro on 01:21:2001 06:11 AM: quote: Originally posted by Evenflow80: My God. Allot of tense people on this board. What is the big problem anyway?? It's funny that this one guy responded to my post by saying something like "it was proven that 3rd strike is a bad game" or something like that. Where was it proven?? your opinion is proof?? What if - God forbid - I LIKE parrying??? And you know what else is funny, out of all you people, this NooNoo guy hit the bull's eye: parrying isnt essential to be good at SFIII. Yes, you heard that right. Like him, I am considered "the master" of this game at my local arcade, and I play some pretty good players, and what surprised me is that none of them parry that much, and the only guy that parries everything, a guy that uses Akuma, I can beat every time. I dont know about "Sunnyvale level competetion" because, like most of you I'd bet, have never even been to one, much less got anywhere past the qualifying rounds. Thus I don't really care about competetions like that and I cant judge them because my knowledge on them is pretty limited. Again, I consider myself a pretty good 3rd Strike player, and I almost never lose at all. But the only moves I do parry on a constant basis are jump in attacks, and ofcourse fireballs. I enjoy this game immensly, and I have been playing fighting games ever since SFI, which I had on the old PC Engine. I have owned every single sf game ever made, including the horrible Movie game, so I know what I am talking about. I am pretty good with most fighting games out right now too, and to me, 3rd Strike is my favorite. Can you prove me otherwise. Propably not, unless you think I am lying and hate SFIII. I like 3rd Strike, allot. I think it's a great game, I think MvC2 is a GOOD game, not great. You can argue all you want and give all the "evidence" that suggests otherwise, but to all the people that like 3rd Strike, congrats and I hope to play against you some day, wether you parry can my jab punches or you like to just turtle up in the corner, I will enjoy studying your strategies and hopefully beat you, if not I will still enjoy myself. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go play 3rd Strike, I have this match with this really good asian guy... Nice post Evenflow80 Also NooNoo made a very good point that parrying isn't essential to be good at SF3. I mean Capcom was trying to add something new to the gameplay and unfortunately they're are people who just don't like SF3 because of the new gameplay. I love the SF3 series. But I was just totally suprised that the B5 tournament will not hold a Third Strike tournament. What I'm also confused about is that I also heard that Third Strike is not that popular in the US. I just never quite figure out as to why hardly anyone except for us hardcore old school SF players like the SF3 series and what exactly went wrong with the gameplay. Hehe I also find it weird that last time I went to Japan hardly anyone played MvC2. Hmm strange things going on in terms of popularity on video games... http://psychosquall.homestead.com/files/YushiroDiz.jpg Posted by Yushiro on 01:21:2001 06:16 AM: quote: Originally posted by Dasrik: Okay, let me lay down something for you all to consider. All hyperbole aside, Third Strike is not a terrible game. There are worse games (among other candidates, the original Street Fighter III makes Third Strike look like "buckets of fun"). However, it pisses me off to no end to hear people drone on and on about how "Third Strike beats MvC2 anyday as far as true skill" and how "3s takes more thought to play than MvC2", because those claims are simply false. Let me lay it out to you: MvC2 thought pattern: "Rushdown or keepaway? Lockdown trap or distance trap? Do I call an assist or not? Is my opponent a Cable with meter (which changes available attack options)? Does that Cable have 2+ meter (if so, then keep your assist inside, or they'll die)? I've hit the opponent - do I go into super? Do I DHC? If I choose to rush down, does my opponent have an AAA? Adjust dash play accordingly." 3s thought pattern: "Will my opponent attack or (kara) throw? Then parry if former, or tech if latter. If parry, hit them with a combo into super. Repeat." Seriously, there is not much more to 3s than that. And please... PLEASE don't tell me that it's not worth your time to parry everything when it's done constantly by the top 3s players. That just shows how much you are unwilling to improve. To sum it up: MvC2 is a game that gives you more options as you get better. 3s is a game that gives you less options. CvS is too. That is why these games do not take "more skill" than MvC2. That's not pure opinion, it's an argument. If you disagree, then construct one of your own. The End. I'm speechless...^_^ You also explained it better then I did...I feel that this thread has been nothing but an disagreement between MvC2 and Third Strike. Anyways very nice post Dasrik. ^_^ Yushiro Posted by token pimp on 01:21:2001 06:27 AM: Both games take skill. Posted by Garbageman on 01:21:2001 06:38 AM: *3S haters ignore the following and reply with a flame, no need to waste time* Parrying is an ingenious idea on capcom's part. It's amazing how people around the world can get so angry over a simple tap forward Parrying doesn't ruin SF3, and I think I know why. Parrying is the biggest complaint with streetfighter 3. Assists and AHVBX3 are said to ruin MvC2. Rolling is said to wreck the flow of CvS by some. But people play MvC2 and CvS. Why? Becuase rolling, assist...they're features of the game and not only that, but they can be worked around. Same goes for parrying. If parrying completly wrecks sf3 to the point where it's unplayable, why did capcom put it in? Because it's a feature and was meant to be used, and could be worked around. And yes it's ok to critique one's opinions. Flaming isn't. "Blah, blah, I typed a whole page, but it all pretty much sums up to u suck and so does your game!" Kinda makes you stop taking the message seriously eh And judging a game by how it plays in a tournament only isn't justified either, you see that's why 3S, MvC2, and CvS are sold in stores Posted by LOLO on 02:09:2001 12:39 PM: love the game Posted by bahn on 02:09:2001 01:10 PM: quote: Originally posted by Evenflow80: What's wrong with you people??? This guy was just stating his opinion about a game, and you all go crazy. Guess what?? I am a master at both 3rd Strike and MvC2 and I believe 100% that SFIII is the more strategic, the deeper, and the better looking of the two. THAT'S MY OPINION. Calling me an idiot wont prove anything, saying I am full of shit is immature and shows a lack of creativity. I like 3rd Strike better and I think it's the best fighting game out there, wether it be gameplay wise, graphic wise, or sound wise. WHo cares, I think it's the better of the two. You can argue against me, but calling me an idiot will automatically tell me to stop reading your message because more than likely your a 12 year old using dad's computer. Intellegent discussions area what get your point across, flaming someone for stating thier opinion does'nt. And no, MvC2 or any of the Vs. games doesnt require as much skill or practice as SFIII 3rd Strike. that's what I think, and I will continue to think that no matter what you tell me. Get used to it. If you're a master...then why haven't you entered any tournies showing your skill? That word is TOTALLY overused and by the wrong ppl. If you're really that good, step out to NYC and battle our players in Chinatown Fair. I am not calling you personally an idiot, but you shouldn't use such a word to express your skill when it's surely pretty exaggerative. *picks up his two cents* http://www.the-nextlevel.com/staff/bahn/teaminterpol.gif The Next Level "Power is useless without skill and speed" Posted by SummErs on 02:09:2001 01:36 PM: I am sure ppl who have been in this discussion knows which one I prefer. When I first came to this board, I was expecting open minded discussions. I guess this thread proves it all. Most posters are just plain ignorant. I refrain from using dumb. Cause everyone has their own views. I'm leaving this discussion for good. Esp after this silly fool replied 'why parry when you can just block and R.parry the last hit.' Fucking hell. Posted by The Green Trench Coat on 02:09:2001 08:47 PM: third stike is great.. but if it was released right after Super turbo.. we wouldn't be having this debate. Because people know that we can have a fighter where you can jump so high.. aircombo and so forth.. people want it. The 3 series is excellent. It's an excellent creation. I have a few gripes with mvc2 that I won't go into cause I think I've taken enough beatings from these forums third strike is great (except for chun.. [she doesn't fit look at her versus any other character she doesn't look right] but I love 3s anyway) I like third strike because: + You can run.. but you aint going anywhere. + You can parry.. but all that parrying will get you killed and killed fast + Cancels. The first time I canceled Yang's stomp into number 2 super I almost cried It's beautiful and you don't get that anywhere else (okay okay Mvc2 but even still) + Makoto ... She'd be such a hit at lesbian bars. + Makoto .... giving new meaning to the term tom boy + Oro ... He's the MAN in this game + Q ... You know I hate him.. but I love playing as him + Useful taunts... FOR EVERYONE + The Shoto's fireball animation. I hate shotos but I love there balls... uh.. Oh god I shouldn't have said that. The animation for there projectiles has to be the tightest I've ever seen. + Strategy.. did someone say no strategy? Uh.. if anything parry ability means you have to come up with more than enough fight patterns and execute them so that you arent completely off guard when you miss on a parried fierce or something. It makes the game more challenging and finally +++ Sei Chu Sen Go DanZuki & Abre to Sanami (if you don't know.. you havent played the game) I don't like although I see where it was necessary to do it: - Ryu 1 denjin fireball :0( The one thing I loved about 2i ryu was the denjin trap.. now it's gone. - Ibuki's missing the hasin sho - Like most people it would have been nice to see a return of some more characters. It's hard to belive that characters like Sagat, Honda, Dan, Guy Would just .. stop.. fighting. It doesn't make sense. Other than that. I belive the 3series is great.. I hope we get to see another one with more characters but as long as my baby is there You'll know where to find me.. I love you Makoto big feet and all. - - Green "Makoto masters unite... Destroy the shotos!!!" Posted by The Green Trench Coat on 02:10:2001 01:01 AM: I said in another post. I really hope that capcom does an inbetweener series for SF2 and 3. I'm keeping my fingers crossed Posted by Sado-Nymph on 02:13:2001 03:23 PM: Erm most of you guys need to settle down MVC2 has to be a good game since so many ppl play it .I think they are right that 3rd strike is alot to do with reaction. However the game has some nice tactics such as Urien and his Reflecter setups which are basically impossible to parry he can even throw you onto the reflecter while you parry it to juggle you".Not sure bout that one." Ibuki is so fast with loads of different moves to keep pressure on the challenger the Twins have long winded dive kick pressure tactics and many fakes.The Twins and Oro also have shadow type supers which won't get parried even ryu and akuma can set you up by following up fireballs and air fbs . Makoto has her super fast dash choke grab fp hayate cgrab etc tactics .Hugo relies on parrying his oppenent and throwing him lol thats a strag. Posted by SSJGouKi on 02:13:2001 11:24 PM: 3rd strike sucks because i hate parries, parries make the game to limited, parries this and parries that, oh wait, did i mention that parries stink? THATS ALL 3rd strike bashers say. the majority of people that hate 3rd strike is because of parries. Now don't get me wrong, i have both games (MvC2 and 3rd Strike) and they both are GREAT 2D JOYS!!! and each have there own way in playin. There is one thing that we all have in common and thats us being "Capcom Fans!!!" Capcom and SNK are few companies that still make 2D joys!!! its obvious that 2D won't last forever so quit the bitchin and enjoy what we have.. its not gonna last long. ------------------------ http://pgb2000.tripod.com/logo.gif 3rd Strike- The way of a True Warrior. Posted by NewGen on 02:14:2001 02:31 AM: people don't like what they suck at, and they don't seem to have the mind capacity to comprehend what is at hand. in other words, if you like trapping and flashy colors, MvC2, if you like style and depth, and out witting you opponents, SF3, and if you like casual games, Capcom vs. Snk. oh and all the snk KoF games fall under Third Strike. Posted by Sado-Nymph on 02:15:2001 04:06 AM: 3s has traps similar to mvc2 such as Urien with his reflectors Makoto and the hayate choke grab. Even the turtling chun li's have a strategy parry, poke, kara throw ,mk super art etc its still a strat. The parry can be used on both on the offensive and defensive. The peeps who only play it safe using only pokes and throws with parries are turtles every game has turtles :P. Don't ppl use Ibuki Yang , Yun in the states 3s tourneys?These characters attack all the time with long winded chains and fakes well at least thats how they are played here . This must appeal to the Mvc2 fans. No and there chains are seldom red parried since any good player with a brain will change the combos slightly to confuse the person trying to red parry. Posted by AmakusaShiroTokisada on 02:15:2001 05:47 AM: Third Strike is a favorite of mine. I think the parrying system is fun and adds much needed change to the series. http://www.geocities.com/amakusashirotokisada/ss4amakusachrgsb.bmp All times are GMT. The time now is 02:56 AM. Show all 57 posts from this thread on one page Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.2.4 Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Limited 2000, 2001.